Andy

Level: 109
Rank: 325

Challenge 0.8

Foil cards will come in the next version.

New version, new challenge for the community! This time it is about gameplay: Everyone, suggest a way to earn foil cards. The best idea will be implemented and the winner will be rewarded with a card of his/her choice. One feature I announced for 0.7 was the introduction of foil cards. Foil was half way implemented when I decided to drop it for 0.7. The main reason was, that I didn’t like how it changed the way I was playing the game. The way I implemented foil was: - A tower gains a foil level whenever the tower levels up - Anytime you replace a tower the foil level is reset to 1 - At foil level 50 you receive the foil card of the tower It's a nice concept, but it's contrary to the way the game should be played. The great thing about playing Mazebert is the fact that you can experiment and replace your tower as much as you like. With foil levels implemented I did tend to rather not replace the carry tower, which led to boring games which got lost in the end because of not adapting properly to the upcoming waves/incoming towers and items. The constraints for your suggestion are: - For now foil is just for tower cards - Earning foil cards should require game SKILLS - The concept for earning foil cards should be easy to understand - The difficulty for earning the corresponding foil card should vary from tower to tower I'm very excited about this challenge. For now, I've already seen so many different strategies and clever ideas from you, I didn't even think of when I implemented the game. So I think there will be a lot of fantastic ideas and suggestions. Looking forward to them. Very much! The challenge ends January, 5th.

Andy

Level: 109
Rank: 325

@Thomadin wrote Here is my suggestion: Vary the requirements for each tower. Examples: Money Bin: Money generated from Money Bins is higher than X. Wolf: Deal X damage with a critical Hit. Herb Witch: Buff a single tower with X Herb Witches. (Those are only examples, the actual requirements are up to your imagination :-) ) You could also make community challenges to decide on the requirements for specific foil cards. This suggestion might be a lot of work, but you could use them to make “mini”-challenges and give an incentive for The player to play with every tower and vary the carry-tower.

loupesko

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@Thomadin wrote Here is my suggestion: Vary the requirements for each tower. Examples: Money Bin: Money generated from Money Bins is higher than X. Wolf: Deal X damage with a critical Hit. Herb Witch: Buff a single tower with X Herb Witches. (Those are only examples, the actual requirements are up to your imagination :-) ) You could also make community challenges to decide on the requirements for specific foil cards. This suggestion might be a lot of work, but you could use them to make “mini”-challenges and give an incentive for The player to play with every tower and vary the carry-tower.

I was just going to suggest the same. My suggestions are : Hitman - Critical damage done in one game higher than X; Dandelion - Mass creeps killed in one game higher than X; Cube - Items transmuted in one game higher than X and etc.... Like @Thomadin said you can start mini-challenges to define every tower's foil leveling way.

Andy

Level: 109
Rank: 325

Hi loupesko, welcome on board :-) I like the idea with the requirements. Maybe one could even combine them, like do A, B, C in one game and then you get the foil version of this tower.. It's essential that the requirements relate to one game, this way grinding won't happen that easily.

Andy

Level: 109
Rank: 325

Are there other ideas beside the requirements system? Just for the sake of brainstorming :-) Btw, @Kad you mailed me a nice list of achievment ideas a few weeks ago. Would you mind if I'd post the excel here for another input?

Kad

Level: 84
Rank: 1479

Its only 53 records. I should give you a full 100 ;) I think though that they should be seperate systems. If you want to post it thats fine but id rather not see it become a list for foil cards. To be honest, the foil card idea doesn't sound appealing to me because im not competing with anyone except myself. Foil cards won't improve my game just offer bragging rights :(

Kad

Level: 84
Rank: 1479

As a point toward brainstorming for foil cards though. The only real option is a requirement system as mentioned. Though if to implement it each requirement should be designed to be challenging that uses only 1 tower type and balanced in such a way that only one foil card can be achieved each game. I think a second requirement should exist for all cards and that is the game must be completed with 100% health. I can't imagine another way to get to your goal with the current limits of game mode. Perhaps itd be easier to implement if there were other game modes such as only fast waves or only armor games... presenting options like complete a game on fast mode with a hitman dealing 50% of the total game kills. Etc etc etc

Andy

Level: 109
Rank: 325

Great input! I still think the achievement system and the current foil suggestion could fit together. Let's see ... Main menu With achievements you would have an overview screen, for every achievement you would have a checklist With foil cards you would have a "deck" of foil cards. Cards you haven't unlocked the foil version will be grayed out and a checklist for winning the card will be displayed In game With achievements I see the point that you'd be a bit more flexible in the checklists. Also the benefit from reaching the achievement could be a bonus to the player stats (Although in most other games you don't benefit from achievements, that's why I always tend to not do them ^^) With foil cards the you are a bit less flexible with the checklist design. But I think it could be possible to mix "grinding" objectives (reach X in N games) with single game objectives, so you'd have the grinding objectives for motivation and the single game objective as kind of quality gate. In terms of benefit though, right now foil cards are simply an optical reward (but in my opinion still better than 'classic' achievements with no reward at all). Ladder I think with both systems (achievements/foil cards) a ladder system could be implemented... But it might be nice to have a list for every player, which foil towers he/she already unlocked. I hope for posts like... how on earth did you unlock the Ganesha foil card??

Kad

Level: 84
Rank: 1479

Ah I see what youre getting at. That could work well. Originally I had not thought you approved of the achievement idea (you were going to get back to me on that) so I thought you had the idea of turning x ideas into foil card card requirements. Your amalgamation of the two systems could indeed work very well!!

Andy

Level: 109
Rank: 325

I uploaded Kad's spreadsheet as a Google Doc here. Should be some inspiration for further thoughts on this!

Kad

Level: 84
Rank: 1479

Keep in mind it's just a rough draft of an incomplete list lol. It needs tweaking and balancing. Perhaps some better category names too.

Andy

Level: 109
Rank: 325

Challenge is closed! The winner is: @Thomadin Congratulations! I found it quite interesting that all ideas developed in the same direction, so I think we got a nice foil card concept now. But I fear we must wait for 0.9 to see it in the game. @Thomadin, your reward however shall make it to 0.8: Card of your choice, yeah!

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Level: 84
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Level: 84
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Rank: 325

Level: 84
Rank: 1479

Level: 109
Rank: 325

Level: 84
Rank: 1479

Level: 109
Rank: 325