Thanks both Andy and Romeo =) yes mazebert has improved alot, though.. it has always been great ;)
still curious, what tower to replace holgar with? maybe a second shadow for maximum effect? :D hehe
I dont know of ishould congratulate. Getting to be a single father meant that you probably were a father before but now your wife/gf left? Well anyway good luck with your child. I am a father myself now for a year and man it can stress you out.
Anyway I prefer my abyss with hades on holgars place and shadow on abyss place with reaver. But I play shadow late about when bonus round starts. So I can have holgar get mead. But holgar is not as good as before since Andy fixed him.
This combo scales madly. throw in a kunx at the right place and go afk for a few hours works like a charm for me
And Holger gets replaced with some dark tower for abyss bonus
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@kami thanks, yes she left me and my 2 yo son, and yes it stress me out too to have all that responsibility on me instead of it being divided by 2 parents, but it is great and rewarding :D my son has great leveling skills thanks to the ganesha next to him, his teddybear cuddling skills and his adaptation is beyond the 10k cap (i suspect that he has the seelenreisser IRL) ;)
Ok yes hades on abyss was a new idea for me and it greatly improved his minion horde collecting skills, aswell as a lot of lucky pants(lord roderics drawback hurts ;), but i will try your option and put him on holgars spot.
but i like to have shadow in early and with only speed so he just adapt but won't dmg to kill, while about wave 40 to 400 i use holgar as main hitter to maximize his mead farming, i only use water of life in the start and wait with all other potions until i get the yin/yang, and why i also put my main shadow on the mid island is because of mr. iron as buff, all those multicrits you can gain now is requiring quite alot of crit% to be sure to use the maximum amout of multicrits/hit
@romeo thanks, i just don't like Muli because of the need of 1-2 hulis to feed him bananas(=a waste of 3 spots) but i like him because i love the towers that can improve themselves even efter all items and potions are used, that is why holgar used to be my favorite(still strong but only midgame) ripper seems nice but lacks that something extra(i really like Balu the bear except i don't want him near my main hitter and his hugs are to slow(maybe adapt his hugs with speed the same as mr. iron's ability is speeded up?) ;) dark forge and scarescrow are strong but as with holgar at some point in the game even their best will just be kindergarden fights compared to shadows adapt, and yes my man i am looking forward to the new deck! i have missed out alot on the forum but i really hope it will be an angelic deck!(dreaming of an anti-shadow type of tower, something like: Archangel Michael with a modified adapt(maybe an adaptation with true damage(with a cap) instead of armor types like shadow with ber,vex,fal?) i dunno but it will be sooo cool to test the new deck out when it comes!
ok so based on your advices i will put abyss on spot #2 instead of #3, my secondary tower will be a holgar until useless then replaced by another shadow!
thank you guys, this made me see things clearer and hopefully help me above #29 on the bonus ladder ;) (still disappointed with myself as i play easy instead of hard, but i haven't found a viable strategy yet) goin to use reginn alot to give me those legendaries ;)
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I cant See ripper near shadow on any case his bonus is too little to matter. Later on he should more or less 1 hit kill and he stacks additively with abyss while shadow gives you a nice 100x multiplier on DMG. Building critdmg up is just so insignificant when abyss gives you 30k bonus for ripper to be as good as shadow he would need 6million Stacks
Meaning he needs 200 procs for every proc on abys to compete woth shadow
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You overlook the attack speed . DPS of both is nearly the same and multictit has the same effectiveness for both it just multiplies the DMG when it procs and with 1k crit chance it always procs full. So not much difference there the only thing is that speed caps at 2.8k for shadow but to double the DPS there you need at least another 2.8k speed. Which is quite much. Plus the demon blade triples the DMG of shadow but has not that much effect on ripper. If you like I can make a calculation to clear things up a bit. What are the items on your ripper?
And just BTW how far do you get in bonus round?
Romeo
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Shadow 70k seconds. Here is why.
For every creep that dies I get 0.8 stacks on abyss (80% Proc chance)
Let's say attack speed is equal which I don't think is doable with ripper but whatever. You would need about 8400%speed for that.
Fully charged shadow gives 100 (actually 101) times the DMG.
DMG formula is I think
Basedmg * dmg% * critdmg% * multicrit * armormod
We can ignore armormod as it is equal.
So shadow has:
110-330base DMG avg 220 + ~460 from demon = 680 base for shadow times 100 for ability = 68000 base dmg for the formula.
Ripper:
1029-1257 that's 1143 avg. But he has 1 more slot.
Still shadow has 60 times more base.
I would think you have reaver on your main because else you would lose quite fast in bonus. But reaver which would reduce the amount of proc per killed creep. So if you would get 160 procs per kill you would get the same bonus as abyss which would double your crit DMG and your dmg% that means quadrupled DMG output. Which still is a fifteenth of shadow DMG. And getting so many process is impossible I guess.... And the bonus of seelenreisserseelenreisser makes it scale worse.
Multicrit: potion + spectre set - seelenr + manitu is 10 multicrit for shadow.
Ripper could have blade of darkness for 30% more DMG or hydra for 40%. From 3 more multicrit. For easy calculation we can say 50% so in the very best case ripper is a tenth as strong as shadow and has less range.
The crit and DMG potions don't matter much later on when abyss gives you more than 30k stats.
If I made any error plz tell me and show me prove for it plz.
If you think you have better item combinations tell me
I wrote this on my phone so I hope is understandable.
Romeo
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Awww common... Have you even read what I wrote?
Rippers bonus is insignificant as soon as you have a well placed abyss. 160 crits per kill would mean you need 5 seconds per monster.
Rippers process adds to abyss but so much less that it doesn't matter at all.
While shadow gives a flat 100 multiplier.
Even without those items he is far stronger
Romeo
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K believe what you want the numbers show that rippers bonus is not worth mentioning when abyss is getting good procs. 1 abyss proc is worth 200 ripper procs so the gain of it is non existent. Higher base DMG is only worth it if you have a good attack speed aswell and even than ,if you crunch the numbers shadow out classes him by factors larger than 10.
That's just the math behind it:
Abyss grows much faster than ripper so ripper doesn't matter as they improve the same stats.
That means, no matter how many procs ripper gets his bonus will be much lower than the bonus of abyss.
As I said believe it or not. Numbers don't lie and I said everything that is to say about that.
If you have questions feel free to ask, but I stop arguing now